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Cae Hawksmoor's avatar

Such good points here!

I think that's part of why Joe Abercrombie's The Devils works so well. It's definitely a high-stakes fantasy adventure, and ends in the massive, sprawling battle we've come to know and love (and sometimes hate), but it works because he keeps everything rooted in his characters, and the horror most of them feel at what's happening to them. They never stop being themselves, and so we *care* about what happens

Another thing LotR does really well is establish what the characters are defending and then show them carrying a small piece of the Shire within them, even in the darkest moments. I think Sam's line in the Two Towers sums it up best:

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"

"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for."

The characters carry that fragile goodness within them, and the Shire makes it manifest. Honestly, it's masterful. But then, I guess we knew that already!

Also, as a small note for future reference: I use they/them rather than she/her

Thanks so much for sharing this, and for tagging me in. It was a great read!

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Mike Miller's avatar

Well reasoned points as always.

Although I disagree on Die Hard. McClain may keep his motivation throughout the movie, but he absolutely becomes a superman during film. As I've joked for almost 30 years, there's a shot at the end of the film of McClain -- who has been beaten, burned, and, oh, yes, walked barefoot on broken glass, before climbing an elevator shaft -- where the camera, at a low angle, trucks in (FYI, moving SIDEWAYS is a "dolly," moving forward/backward is a "truck," and "dolly in" is incorrect terminology) on McClain, tilting up as it does, while he gleams in his sweat and rim lighting. And I hate it. It's his "Superman" shot. You wanna convince me Die Hard stays grounded, show me the version of that shot where his adrenaline buzz fades during the truck, and he passes the fuck out.

Of course, sometimes spectacle slop happens in Act II. I'm thinking of Indiana Jones and the Nuked Fridge Aliens here. There's a moment where Shia LeBeouf is straddling two jeeps on a greenscreen stage and he's hit once-twice-three times in the crotch by plants. It's the exact moment when I stopped caring about the movie and muttered to my date, "This movie needs to have some character scenes soon, because I just don't give a crap about anyone." There was no character scenes until after the aliens do whatever they do, by which point it was too late. No, wait, I did muster up one moment of regard for a character after the crotch shots. Shia swinging with the monkeys. That's when I wanted his character to get killed off.

Sometimes one goes the other way -- not enough spectacle, too many character endings. While Peter Jackson did as well as anyone could do with LotR he really drags the ending out (and cuts the "Scouring of the Shire," but that's a different rant.

Babylon 5 also spends interminable episodes dragging out all the character resolutions, with interruptions for occasional action beats as demanded by the show formula.

Now Simon Jones has, so far, nailed his endings, so I have faith in Triverse.

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