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Mikhail Skoptsov's avatar

Wow! This is a really nice collection of examples. Thank you for the shoutout!

I wish I had mentioned 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl.'

That first movie repeatedly recontextualizes itself and subverts expectations, most notably by creating the impression that it's really a classic historical adventure movie before revealing itself to be a fantasy/horror film an hour into the running time.

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Mike Miller's avatar

Well, I guess you're the exception that proves the rule on the current dogma that anyone whose favorite film is "Fight Club" is an incel asshole.

"Psycho" is another genre twister.

I'm going to toss out most of writings of HP Lovecraft. While noted as a "horror" writer, he is, in fact, writing science fiction. All the entities of the Cthulhu Mythos use technology (like the Yith using time travel to find where in their future move their species to avoid catastrophic climate change, or the Mi-Go attempting to learn about humans by sticking brains in life support jars and interrogating those minds on Pluto), and "non-Euclidean mathematics" (every other story). While the stories have the trappings of horror, that's the viewpoint of the protagonists, who are incapable of comprehending the high science in use, and cannot accept alien lifeforms going about their own business while not giving one damn about humanity. The "horror" comes from the premise that humans aren't special. The mechanics of the universe are sci-fi from the viewpoint of characters who don't know what genre they're in.

There are exceptions in Lovecraft - "The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath" is pure fantasy, and Lovecraft's ghouls certainly seem magical, but these seeming exceptions may be the fault of me as commentator.

"The Thirteenth Floor" is another example. It begins as a 1940's noir-thriller, and ends in a similar setup as "The Matrix." "Matrix" was released several months AFTER "The Thirteenth Floor," and is actually a better movie. It was just low key and contemplative instead of featuring ridiculous violence and extensive special effects.

"The Matrix" itself tries to pull a genre switch, but they twist was spoiled in the initial ad campaign ("The Matrix" also had "bullet time" coined to name a visual effect which had already been used for YEARS in Hollywood projects, and, for which, the base technique dates back to the 1880s - which I mention as a grumpy pedant). Of course, "The Matrix" pops back here because it's only recently been made explicit that the movie is REALLY about coming to the realization of one's transgender nature and beginning a transition.

I've got other examples, but I've taken enough of your time.

Glad your feeling better. Unfortunately, whatever hit you seems to have worked through Laura and now me. I spent the weekend cursing the donkey kicking the back of my left eye to a double-bass speed-metal backbeat.

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