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Quick comment on "... super weird Vorlon ships (even if they are primarily the result of a VFX designer finding out about animated textures)."

1) Vorlon ships are based off garlic.

2) You mean INVENTING animated textures. It had never been done before. Obviously this is impossible in model work unless you literally build a series of models and paint each one with a frame of an animation loop and swap the model out on every frame. Is it a bit dated and cheesy 30 years later? Maybe. But, in context, this was another absolutely mind blowing thing at the time... Just like how a Starfury rotating nodally on three axes is impossible with a practical model...

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Well. On a different social platform you've already put up with much of my ranting about differences between the 1993 and 1997 versions of the pilot. I may have the 1993 on a tape in storage - and, if we can ever actually close a property, and I have it, I'll capture, clean, and send it to you. Let's talk production. JMS has written at length about his displeasure with the initial project. As a first time showrunner he didn't feel fully comfortable throwing his creator/EP authority around, so let director David Compton (also a Producer) lead.

Yes, some of the direction is off.

Compton would continue into the series proper, but, as he and JMS continued to butt heads, Compton would leave by mid-season 1. Maybe episode 8, but don't quite me.

Regarding being surprised it went to series? The producing network, PTEN, had been thinking about going straight to series, but TV Sci-fi at the time was expensive ("V" the series almost bankrupted NBC), and no US made non-"Star Trek" sci-fi, at the time the green light was given - had managed more than two seasons (by the time B5 season 1 properly started "Quantum Leap" would be in its third).

So, the Movie of the Week was commissioned. It was given two mandates: be completed on time and on budget, and draw a certain ratings figure. Obviously both happened.

Michael O' Hare... Poor man ended up fighting against, and losing to, a struggle with mental illness. Apparently his issued kicked in between casting and before production, and worsened greatly during s1. Perhaps the stress of jumping from a stage actor to being the nominal lead of a 5-year show kicked off the decline? Either way, it's a sad story. One JMS kept secret till O'Hare's death to help protect his career.

Tamlyn Tomita as Laurel Takishima... Is 100% dubbed. It seems she gave a more dynamic reading on-set, the suits interfered and wanted her to be more stoic, then decided her performance was too bland. Sucks for her, good for Claudia Christian.

Still, sharp eyes may note that as the assassin moves around the station, he's using Takishima's access codes. Look at door panels when they are used. Or, take my word for it, cuz who wants to re-watch "The Gathering" AGAIN! Either way, she was being set up to do something shocking in the first series finale which was moved to a different minor recurring character... (How's THAT for dancing around the spoilers?)

Delenn: yes, was initially to be male, then become female. This was changed less because of the makeup than because the voice modulation sounded terrible. You can hear the terrible voice modulation on the assassin - "There is a hole...in your mind." Yup, that's a failed attempt to make a female performer sound masculine.

We'll never ever see Delenn's gravity rings again. Probably "too powerful?"

Lyta: JMS wanted to keep her, an executive had an issue with Pat Tallman. Still... It all works out.

Londo is awesome. No notes.

G'Kar is awesome and will become more awesome.

Dr. Kyle... Dr. Franklin is a better character, but I miss the unique accent. Call it a representation thing, but I do miss getting into the series proper and basically having all the Earthforce personnel having American accents.

Guerra: Who? One of the techs in C&C. His actor will return later in a different, and better role. There is no relation between the two parts, and no one should start looking at conspiracies in plotting. They liked Ed Wasser and gave him a more important part to play. We're adults and we don't need to pull a Steven Moffat Doctor Who Season 8 waste of an episode of "Why this face?"

The 5 year arc: There is stuff in the pilot that finally plays out in seasons 2, 3, 4, and 5. If O'Hare's issues hadn't arisen there is something set up which was initially planned to pay off in the very last episode! Beginning, middle, end. Oh, it still pays off. Just earlier. (Again, dancing around spoilers) Some of the world building and exposition in "The Gathering" is clunky, but that's a writer with a five year story planned who is trying to cram too much foreshadowing in. Still, even today, a pre-planned multi-year arc is something that just doesn't happen unless it's an adaptation of a pre-existing property (I'm looking at "Game of Thrones," "Wheel of Time," and "The Expanse."). Don't throw out "X-Files," "Lost," "Heroes," or "Battlestar Galactica" as examples, because all of those are shows that threw a bunch of shit at the wall, saw what stuck, and tried to convince you it was part of a plan. They weren't.

The CGI: primitive by today's standards, but unlike anything seen at the time. The CGI and makeup would win Babylon 5 its first Emmys. The Vorlon fleet broke the record set by "Return of the Jedi" for most elements in an effects shot. Babylon 5's artists basically established the techniques and pipelines which have only started shifting in the past few years now that computer power allows real-time engines with perspective correction. B5 artists would take the techniques they developed with them to other studios and effects houses. Light wrap? Invented for B5. Combining 3D models, 2D set extensions and live footage? B5. The sequel series "Crusade" will go on to have the first camera tracked shots ever done for TV.

One of the first shows edited on AVID, one of the first shows to use remote hook ups for production (Chris Franke conducting an orchestra in Berlin from his home studio in LA), the first project of any kind to do all the post production and visual effects digitally. The show was always intended to have the CG redone and be reframed for future HD 16:9 remastering (WB improperly stored the hard drives and they were destroyed, which is why the Blu-ray is what it is - sometimes plans go astray).

The technical importance of B5 can NOT be overstated. A certain film-maker who put off certain movies in a certain "saga" after 1983 as he was waiting for "technology to catch up with [his] vision" came to discuss many things with the VFX teams.

So. "The Gathering." Not the best start, but, from here, it all gets better. Except for "TKO," and "Whatever Happened to Gray 17." Oh, "Phoenix Rising." Still, three terrible episodes of 110 is a good hit rate.

Now, on to the series proper, with "Midnight on the Firing Line," which has Starfuries. The Starfury is the best designer space fighter in all of Sci-Fi, and I will die on this hill.

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